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		<title>By: Catana</title>
		<link>http://autism.gbrettmiller.com/2008/08/the-internet-doesnt-make-people-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-782</link>
		<dc:creator>Catana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is to let you know that the unsubscribe feature isn&#039;t working. I&#039;m still getting responses to this thread even though I unsubbed to it, and according to the link, I&#039;m not subbed to any threads. Please try to get this taken care of. Maybe unchecking the Notify box with this comment will get me off. I can only hope.</description>
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		<title>By: laurentius-rex</title>
		<link>http://autism.gbrettmiller.com/2008/08/the-internet-doesnt-make-people-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>laurentius-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well whatever I am tonight way too tired to continue the debate as I have some weighty practical concerns to deal with first :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well whatever I am tonight way too tired to continue the debate as I have some weighty practical concerns to deal with first :(</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://autism.gbrettmiller.com/2008/08/the-internet-doesnt-make-people-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People with less authority and power don&#039;t need to be seen as virtuous or more enlightened. Nor does there need to be radical and immediate changes in all policies that provides them with ways to be more included although that change needs to be the goal. 

I also agree that conventional academic pursuits can and does often encourage the exercise of creativity. Without it people are often more likely to use the language and methods of attempting to establish power that are similar or even exactly identical to those of their oppressors although power isn&#039;t necessarily their goal... it sometimes just looks that way to people who have power (societal influential power rather than individually perceived power) because they don&#039;t understand the pursuit of anything else.

However, unless there is a recognition that our reward systems are completely disproportionate and that those who are disadvantaged by this system that encourages failure actually make up the majority of people....and that this majority is an untapped resource that includes the greatest creativity, ingenuity, and ability that the world has never known, then our royalty will remain on their thrones until they run out of ideas to maintain the overinflated view of their worth.

At that point, the internet and all resources that can be used by the elite will be used in order to suppress the empowerment and education of their subjects.

As their (the elite....using my rigid definition of the word) creativity diminishes, their methods of oppression will become harsher and may ultimately be used to extinguish those whom they see as their threat. All education and empowerment would be a threat to their security.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People with less authority and power don&#8217;t need to be seen as virtuous or more enlightened. Nor does there need to be radical and immediate changes in all policies that provides them with ways to be more included although that change needs to be the goal. </p>
<p>I also agree that conventional academic pursuits can and does often encourage the exercise of creativity. Without it people are often more likely to use the language and methods of attempting to establish power that are similar or even exactly identical to those of their oppressors although power isn&#8217;t necessarily their goal&#8230; it sometimes just looks that way to people who have power (societal influential power rather than individually perceived power) because they don&#8217;t understand the pursuit of anything else.</p>
<p>However, unless there is a recognition that our reward systems are completely disproportionate and that those who are disadvantaged by this system that encourages failure actually make up the majority of people&#8230;.and that this majority is an untapped resource that includes the greatest creativity, ingenuity, and ability that the world has never known, then our royalty will remain on their thrones until they run out of ideas to maintain the overinflated view of their worth.</p>
<p>At that point, the internet and all resources that can be used by the elite will be used in order to suppress the empowerment and education of their subjects.</p>
<p>As their (the elite&#8230;.using my rigid definition of the word) creativity diminishes, their methods of oppression will become harsher and may ultimately be used to extinguish those whom they see as their threat. All education and empowerment would be a threat to their security.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://autism.gbrettmiller.com/2008/08/the-internet-doesnt-make-people-stupid/comment-page-1/#comment-749</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry,

There is an academic view that makes all points relative. 

Once all things are described as equal in the respect of none being a necessarily better with regard to ideas,  then the academic elite make the decisions and that becomes more important than truth and the academically inclined are sheided from the understanding that comes from truth.

Relativism has it&#039;s place in judging ideas and people so that we can be less critical and accepting of cultures different than our own. However, when relativism is just a word being used to devalue a view because it seems unimportant or inconvenient to attempt to understand, it becomes a tool that suppresses the voices of the masses.

For the internet to be a real tool of empowerment and education, it needs to be accessible to people who (in all our ignorance and glory) are given an opportunity to have our voices heard *before* we overcome all of our academic challenges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry,</p>
<p>There is an academic view that makes all points relative. </p>
<p>Once all things are described as equal in the respect of none being a necessarily better with regard to ideas,  then the academic elite make the decisions and that becomes more important than truth and the academically inclined are sheided from the understanding that comes from truth.</p>
<p>Relativism has it&#8217;s place in judging ideas and people so that we can be less critical and accepting of cultures different than our own. However, when relativism is just a word being used to devalue a view because it seems unimportant or inconvenient to attempt to understand, it becomes a tool that suppresses the voices of the masses.</p>
<p>For the internet to be a real tool of empowerment and education, it needs to be accessible to people who (in all our ignorance and glory) are given an opportunity to have our voices heard *before* we overcome all of our academic challenges.</p>
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		<title>By: laurentius-rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>laurentius-rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed you are probably not aware of the reletavism of your own comments, but then I guess you are factoring yourself into the elite of internet users that includes all commenters here.

I was not saying there is an elite understanding of sociology though of course the US academic hegemony has attempted such in the 50&#039; and 60&#039;s with the predominance of certain schools of thinking.

Elite is a word with a variety of understandings and contexts, and to be rigid in it&#039;s definition is to self lable yourself into the &quot;elite&quot; that believes that only it&#039;s definitions and explanations are ever valid.

Marketing does require logic, heck it is an extension of the empirical rationalism that came in with Adam Smith and the &quot;enlightenment&quot; there are mathematical formulae which can be adduced to describe it all. Oh well must go or I will miss my bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed you are probably not aware of the reletavism of your own comments, but then I guess you are factoring yourself into the elite of internet users that includes all commenters here.</p>
<p>I was not saying there is an elite understanding of sociology though of course the US academic hegemony has attempted such in the 50&#8242; and 60&#8242;s with the predominance of certain schools of thinking.</p>
<p>Elite is a word with a variety of understandings and contexts, and to be rigid in it&#8217;s definition is to self lable yourself into the &#8220;elite&#8221; that believes that only it&#8217;s definitions and explanations are ever valid.</p>
<p>Marketing does require logic, heck it is an extension of the empirical rationalism that came in with Adam Smith and the &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; there are mathematical formulae which can be adduced to describe it all. Oh well must go or I will miss my bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 22:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I find the phone very difficult as well. That had nothing to do with my point nor do I consider it have any valid place in negating my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I find the phone very difficult as well. That had nothing to do with my point nor do I consider it have any valid place in negating my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Elites can be quite arbirtrarily defined.&quot; That&#039;s true as far as a marketable definition goes but marketing doesn&#039;t require logic or or any reality based knowlege of the subject matter you are selling for that matter. It only requires knowing what your market wants and what they want to avoid looking at.

There has never been an elite understanding of sociology that was widely recognized.... or any true picture what lots of societies even look like.  Most people aren&#039;t factored into the equation so the information isn&#039;t reliable. The truth just isn&#039;t marketable.

Intellectual capability has never been measured as it relates to the masses because most people aren&#039;t given the opportunity to exercise their ability in that area and even when they do it isn&#039;t recognised as being valid... not because it doesn&#039;t show ability but because we like our ability neatly packaged by already recognised sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Elites can be quite arbirtrarily defined.&#8221; That&#8217;s true as far as a marketable definition goes but marketing doesn&#8217;t require logic or or any reality based knowlege of the subject matter you are selling for that matter. It only requires knowing what your market wants and what they want to avoid looking at.</p>
<p>There has never been an elite understanding of sociology that was widely recognized&#8230;. or any true picture what lots of societies even look like.  Most people aren&#8217;t factored into the equation so the information isn&#8217;t reliable. The truth just isn&#8217;t marketable.</p>
<p>Intellectual capability has never been measured as it relates to the masses because most people aren&#8217;t given the opportunity to exercise their ability in that area and even when they do it isn&#8217;t recognised as being valid&#8230; not because it doesn&#8217;t show ability but because we like our ability neatly packaged by already recognised sources.</p>
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